Trying to understand flight planning in Europe. Specifically, lateral routings.
I’ve been reading about FRA, the European AUP/UUP published daily, the RAD document, combined with the validation tool.
So far, it’s a slow but steady learning curve. But one thing about a recent flight plan got me confused. I had initially planned “[…] HON UL612 XAMAB […]”, but the system recommended that I simply fly DCT between HON and XAMAB. That part confuses me though. That airspace EGTT is labeled as “No FRA”. So why is the system allowing and validating me to fly DCT between HON and XAMAB? I would think that, since it’s No FRA airspace, that wouldn’t be allowed.
Any thoughts from anyone familiar with Eurocontrol flight planning procedures?
Hi Karl and welcome to VATSIM (or just the forums )!
I’m curious for the answer on your question aswell as I’ve wondered about this for quite some time now.
I just use https://www.eurofpl.eu/finder and pick one listed in “View NM Proposed routes.” and every ATC seemed to be happy with these routes so far
For the UK there is a vital document called Standard Route Document, or SRD for short, which is an excel spreadsheet. It is found in the NATS NATS UK | Digital Datasets
If you search for XAMAB you’ll find in line 251 …UL612 HON DCT XAMAB
So while FRA isn’t used in EGTT directs can be used according to the SRD.
Oh, that’s great Torben! I wasn’t aware of this document. Thank you so much!
That is great if you can get a route.The problem is when you cant get a route.
If I can’t get a route with eurofpl, I just let PFPX find a route.
Alternatively I look up the SID endpoints and STAR starting points of the airports I’d like to fly from and to and build a route between those two waypoints on skyvector.com.
For most flights within Europe, eurofpl provides NM Proposed Routes.
Login | EDI-GLA Real World Flightplan Database | Since 2005 offers real world flightplans too.
This site also offers data to aircraft equipment codes:
Will have to take a look at that other site. Thank you
I created a flight EFHK-LYBE at EuroFPL
Go to simbrief ,enter information ,send to IFPS validation/Eurocontrol
What are the errors
The errors are due to Danger/Restricted Areas that are active due to military activity. You can largely ignore these at VATSIM, if you don’t want to navigate aroud them (can be tricky).
One would think that Eurocontrol would give you other route options if the one you submit has errors.
Unfortunately it doesn’t work this way. Eurocontrol assumes that your have a dispatch office behind you, so it’s up to you. Otherwise they would probably charge you for the service!!!
There are different implementations of FRA depending on the state, but generally it means a removal of the ATS network. Obviously in EGTT the ATS network is still firmly in place, that doesn’t mean that certain direct routings can’t be flight planned though.
Trying to plan an IFPS compliant flight manually is a huge stab in the dark and not an easy task at all. You really need flight planning software that has access to the latest AIRAC, RAD, SUP, AUP/UUP, UK-SRD etc…
It used to be the case that HON DCT XAMAB could only be flight planned at night, but it’s now available 05:01 - 23:00 provided certain restrictions are met. The applicable RAD restriction is EG5298:
- Night Time DCT Route.
2.To provide fuel saving benefit for traffic via HON and SITET outside of the night time DCT.
3.The DCT is not available to traffic departing MANCHESTER_GROUP/ MIDLANDLANDS_GROUP) and EGCN NM, except at night (00:01…06:00 (23:01…05:00) at HON).
Thank you for the explanation.