Yes, the implementation will be based on that document, but that’s the full documentation.
Here’s a shorter, easier to follow one: https://files.eurofpl.eu/originalfpl/pdfs/EuroFPL-ICAO_Flightplan_Form_Basics-latest.pdf
And just a reminder, we’re changing the form on the website with some additional information/hints that should help everyone
i dont really mind the removal of the fp window in vpilot – however, in the middle of a 10 hour long haul i decide to log off and take a nap. when i come back and reconnect, as expected, the flight plan is gone. but now, ITS REALLY GONE.
in the past, i would have it loaded in vpilot before i disconnected, and all i needed to do was file it when i came back. now i go back to the webform and it’s blank.
luckily i hadnt done anything to simbrief so it was still sitting there and i could “prefile” it again from the air. ONCE. now im stuck again unable to make any alterations (cleaning up remarks, etc) because “callsign in use, try again in 90 seconds”
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For the callsign in use issue quickly disconnect, refile, reconnect
yeah i fiddled around with it, got it worked around
All your flight plans are saved in simbrief for a period of time after you have created them.
You can file our flight plan up to 2 hours before you fly, so why cant you file it before you put the headset on?
What is the point of the data identified in pages 6 and 7?
The existing (or now rejected) format, as in v3.7.0 of vPilot, is surely adequate, after all it has served very well for a long time, and as the adage says “don’t fix it if it ain’t broke”.
All this change appears to me to be a case of an aspiring programmer setting himself, or herself, a challenge. It serves no useful purpose except to demonstrate how much our hobby has been high-jacked by a bunch of incompetents living in a small bubble that has no sense of serving the core membership.
This goes into the same draw as the .833 frequency changes and the CTAF proposals
The VATSIM Prefile plan doesn’t include those items so your question doesnt matter.
Yup, you caught me … I just like to watch the world burn.
If you’re ready to let reason prevail, and you are willing to learn the actual reasons for the change, read my first reply in this thread.
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A well written programme would have had an ‘error trap’ to explain why the programme is not progressing as expected.
I have been using ICAO identifiers in vPilot since its inception, so using ICAO as justification for this change is a false argument.
I see you didn’t actually read and comprehend my post. Oh well, I tried.
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Using ICAO Identifiers doesn’t mean you have been flining an ICAO flight plan.
I refer you to the link above, where a VATSIM supervisor says the complete opposite.
I take it you have not already looked at the prefile form?
Those items are not included, the VATSIM Supervisor never said they would be, what they did say is, they would change the form with some addiditonal information/hints that should help everyone.
Perhaps you should read the first sentence of the Supervisor’s post, in which he stated that the “implementation will be based on that document”!
The document to which he was referring was “Amendment%201%20Doc4444.EN.pdf” as given in Ryan Parry’s post above.
I did not miss read any thing, and please dont infer as such.
The key phrase in the supervisors post is Based on which means the two things will be closley related or linked. The Fenix A320 is based on the Airbus A320, but they are not identical nor do they include all of the same functions. You are welcome to contoinue to hold this strange belife that VATSIM in some shape or form wants its virtual pilots to list the number of lift rafts on their computer game airplane, but the simple fact is.
No one has said that the current ICAO VATSIM prefile form is going to be modified to match the document posted above word for word.
There are some reasonable arguments for these changes, but the reasonable approach would be to consider other users.
I see absolutely NO reason for VATSIM not to compromise and allow the flight plan window, as it was, to remain for those that are happy with it.
I do not use Simbrief, so this change is just an extra step in my normal preparation procedure. For those that do use Simbrief this change is probably not that much of a change at all.
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Never trust a politician or anybody who will force their ideals on others.
I see absolutely no reason for VATSIM to compromise. Literally the same thing happened with xPilot in 2022 because the developer knew VATSIM was moving to full ICAO flight plans and saw no reason to include it in the pilot client.
Just use the VATSIM website to file a flight plan. It’s not hard.
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